tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post112882381313677974..comments2023-10-11T09:22:33.136-04:00Comments on Paperback Writer: UnoUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1129674276472933262005-10-18T18:24:00.000-04:002005-10-18T18:24:00.000-04:00Now I know why the only book by PBW I've read seem...Now I know why the only book by PBW I've read seemed kinda rough and raw. There was hardly any time for editing, was it? ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1129000878771384792005-10-10T23:21:00.000-04:002005-10-10T23:21:00.000-04:00Again, sorry I'm lagging behind on comments -- dea...Again, sorry I'm lagging behind on comments -- deadlines, teaching, the usual chaos situation here.<BR/><BR/>Michelle wrote: <I> Is there more Jory to come in the future? Please? :)</I><BR/><BR/>Originally I had eight books planned for Jory and the crew, but the publisher only bought the first one. It did very well, and continues to sell (and thanks for investing) but after the Ace/Roc changeover my new editor was more interested in buying two new StarDocs. To be honest, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my SF after this contract. A lot depends on the science fiction market, and what I think I can swing next year. <BR/><BR/>Also, one thought on the Dietz article -- some plotting writers tend to think organic writers work aimlessly, the same way some organic writers think plotting writers are too regimented. I'll confess to thinking the same thing until I got to know some organic writers and realized that the process is completely different on their side of the fence, and should be respected. Just my two cents.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous wrote: <I>I was wondering if you (and maybe some of the other commenters) could talk about your outlining process and how you came to develop it.</I><BR/><BR/>I've got a general breakdown of how I outline over in the sidebar links to how I write novels, but I'll see if I can't write up a more specific post about it later on this week.<BR/><BR/>Ris wrote: <I>May I ask where the editing process works into the writing scheduling for you? Do you find that your stories are more or less ready except for some polishing with the first draft, due to your experience? Do you edit as you write or cram all the editing in before sending the story out?</I><BR/><BR/>Ris, you might want to check out the series of posts I wrote on how I write novels (see right sidebar, down at the bottom, for the links.) I edit the new material I write every day, and don't look at it again until I do my final read-through when the book is finished. On average my books tend to be in fairly good shape on the first draft, and judging by the revision requests I'm getting from my editors, they're happy with what they're getting, too. I edit as I go along because cramming all the editing in at the end of writing the book doesn't work well for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128998214328070722005-10-10T22:36:00.000-04:002005-10-10T22:36:00.000-04:00The breakdown is a great reminder, PBW! Thank you...The breakdown is a great reminder, PBW! Thank you.<BR/><BR/>I need to get my butt in gear!Mary Stellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02186261066656584772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128969600159323992005-10-10T14:40:00.000-04:002005-10-10T14:40:00.000-04:00I'm still working at finding something that suits ...I'm still working at finding something that suits me. <BR/><BR/>Today, I just made my most drastic change from full-on pantzer in my writing method. <BR/><BR/>If it works, I may find some of my sanity back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128904468458754322005-10-09T20:34:00.000-04:002005-10-09T20:34:00.000-04:00Lethem got a MacArthur. Wow. The dude is younger t...Lethem got a MacArthur. Wow. The dude is younger than me.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link!Douglas Hoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17554788570160506080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128895125427091912005-10-09T17:58:00.000-04:002005-10-09T17:58:00.000-04:00Thanks for the link, PBW. Food for thought.Thanks for the link, PBW. Food for thought.vanessa jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11059178422559443067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128894447687280982005-10-09T17:47:00.000-04:002005-10-09T17:47:00.000-04:00Okay, after reading the article, I just want to sa...Okay, after reading the article, I just want to say in defense of us pantzers that not all of us are writing aimlessly.<BR/><BR/>To date, I haven't cut any large sections out of my stories or had problems finishing. My problem is writing short and creating a sequence of events so interdependent that adding to my wordcount can be problematic.<BR/><BR/>I can plot just fine, but I can't outline. I need to be in the story, working with the character before I can make decisions. I always know my premise and who the antagonist, protagonist are. I have a good idea of the opening and the core conflict but not much else which is why I spend a lot of time thinking before I write that next scene.<BR/><BR/>I'm hoping that outlining will come with time and experience. I am getting a better sense of how plot events and twists equate to word count, so the writing short issue should eventually resolve itself. I hope.<BR/><BR/>MMotherhood for the Weakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06813197295291518166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128889834720922582005-10-09T16:30:00.000-04:002005-10-09T16:30:00.000-04:00Thanks for posting this! I was wondering if you ...Thanks for posting this! I was wondering if you (and maybe some of the other commenters) could talk about your outlining process and how you came to develop it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128874060478782452005-10-09T12:07:00.000-04:002005-10-09T12:07:00.000-04:00One of the things I've noticed is that those that ...One of the things I've noticed is that those that don't plot often think of the plotting/outlining as a seperate process, something outside of the book. But for me, a die-hard plotter, that is a central part of the finished book. It's a distinction that works for me, so that I don't ever feel as if I've shot my wad, so to speak, before I write the second draft. First draft - detailed plotting, second draft - writing the chapters, third draft, editing the chapters. This is the only way I can keep to my very tight scheduling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128868050521500772005-10-09T10:27:00.000-04:002005-10-09T10:27:00.000-04:00Ahh, wonderful. The Dietz article is exactly what ...Ahh, wonderful. The Dietz article is exactly what I was looking for!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128867896922359192005-10-09T10:24:00.000-04:002005-10-09T10:24:00.000-04:00Very helpful. I hope you include tips for those of...Very helpful. I hope you include tips for those of us who work full-time and are trying to write a book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128867098510515192005-10-09T10:11:00.000-04:002005-10-09T10:11:00.000-04:00May I ask where the editing process works into the...May I ask where the editing process works into the writing scheduling for you? Do you find that your stories are more or less ready except for some polishing with the first draft, due to your experience? Do you edit as you write or cram all the editing in before sending the story out?<BR/><BR/>Thank you! I'm heartily enjoying your blog.<BR/><BR/>RisC. Jane Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131009339900981548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128866290406331252005-10-09T09:58:00.000-04:002005-10-09T09:58:00.000-04:00I've been doing what's called fast draft writing f...I've been doing what's called fast draft writing for a romantica fantasy. It's been interesting. If all goes well today, I will have written half the book in 3 days. Not bad. <BR/><BR/>Of course it needs a ton of editing. <BR/><BR/>But it does have a plot. I think.<BR/><BR/>Needs more sex though. The plot keeps distracting me.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, the whole thing has been an interesting exercise in productivity. I can plot by the seat of my pants--amazing.<BR/><BR/>I could probably handle rough drafts of 2 books a year, but I don't know if I could polish them and have them ready for an editor too.<BR/><BR/>I'm still learning though. I still write a little too short, I would like my roughs to get up to 80k and grow in edits to 90-100k.<BR/><BR/>I hate that I'm an organic writer. I wish I could outline. I've tried. It doesn't work for me. I have to create as I go which really slows me down. I have to take all this time to think.<BR/><BR/>OH and I bought a copy of Blade Dancer and LOVE it, stayed up til 1am last night and still have about 100 pgs left to read. Is there more Jory to come in the future? Please? :)<BR/><BR/>MMotherhood for the Weakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06813197295291518166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128847422385775952005-10-09T04:43:00.000-04:002005-10-09T04:43:00.000-04:00Well, this is perhaps the clearest way of putting ...Well, this is perhaps the clearest way of putting a writing schedule - and the funny thing is it's almost exactly my own - 3 - 4 pages a day, 4 books a year on average. lol. <BR/>I would like to pick up the pace, but I'm afraid of getting burned out.<BR/>There is NaNoWrimo coming up soon though! On your mark, get set...Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05943062466398436785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8343238.post-1128831559412559132005-10-09T00:19:00.000-04:002005-10-09T00:19:00.000-04:00Standing by with pen and paper.:-DStanding by with pen and paper.:-DJordan Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437563784716604402noreply@blogger.com